The problem with people is that they’re only human.
– Bill Watterson
We emerged from the mists of our deep history into awareness as rather appalling, scary creatures, and also as rather wonderful, amazing creatures… something completely new in the world: animals who told stories, who learned to laugh, befriended other species, created new things with their deft hands and spun delightful images with their clever brains. Initially, our powers were small. We lived, more or less, in harmony with the world, like other creatures. We were no more — but no less! — awful and destructive than the hyena or the shark. Like a hyena or a shark, we heedlessly grabbed what the planet offered. But since our powers were small, any damage we did was small. The limits Mother Nature places upon all organisms limited us as well.
Still, we evolved. Any shark or hyena grown an opposable thumb and a manipulative brain would be a very alarming creature indeed, especially as it began to evade, at least for a time, the bounds nature places on all organisms. I don’t blame humans for becoming more destructive as our capabilities grew. Would any other animal behave differently? As our behavioral repertoire expanded — better language, cooperation, skills of survival, hunting, reasoning abilities, symbols, dexterity — our ability to change the world, to help or harm it, increased apace. We became very good at survival, and very good at destroying what stood in our way. Any large predator – had it evolved such abilities – would become a very dangerous creature indeed, to self and others. Jekyll grew in powers. How wonderful. But so did Hyde. How very, very inauspicious.
As our capabilities expanded, humans began to cause significant damage to certain parts of the planet. We damaged a large part of the continent of Australia and its climate through fires. Imagine: small roaming bands of humans equipped only with simple stone age tools managed to bring ruin to an entire continent! We probably had a hand in wiping out our cousins, the Neanderthals, and perhaps other descendants of erectus as well. Our greedy hunting methods included mass stampedes of hundreds of animals over cliffs and into cul-de-sacs when only a few of their bodies could be used. With a variety of improved hunting strategies, we began to have significant impact on certain animal populations, and likely contributed to the extinctions of the Upper Paleolithic. We certainly caused great devastations much later as the outlying Pacific islands were settled, or used as larders by passing sailors.
Picture leaving a few pairs of predators – say, cats — on pristine Easter Island. They would have multiplied, wiped out the naïve fauna in relatively short order and collapsed, leaving an impoverished island behind. Just the way the Polynesians did it. We think that humans should know better. But the cats’ predicament is our predicament too. Even today, with all the bells and whistles of modern life, we are not good at dealing with the future staring us in the face. We find ourselves just as unable to modify our destructive behaviors as did the hapless Easter Islanders.
Face to face with a more realistic assessment of human nature, is pessimism or cynicism called for? I don’t see it that way. I do think evolution has saddled us with a problem that calls for a great deal of caution. Our shadow side cannot magically disappear by going into therapy, getting religion, via bootstrap evolution, through self-discipline, or doing the 12 steps. It will not disappear by sloughing off civilization. This is who we are: dangerous, amazing, limited human animals. We must face what is in terrible glory inside us. To let our heart be broken by who we are. To know, to surrender to the truth, and to find peace. Then we can quit tearing Mother Nature to pieces in revenge for having made us so imperfect, so “fallen.” Then, we can finally stop destroying each other and the planet we love.

December 24, 2011 at 5:58 pm
This is the second post in the “roots of domination” series. Two more coming soon.
But — I hit the wrong button, and this post is not quite done. To see the fully baked item, come back in a bit.
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Ok. Done. Whew.
December 25, 2011 at 5:44 am
Beautifully written, leavergirl, and I look forward to understanding more clearly what the “terrible glory inside us” is, as this series progresses.
I’ve seen so many negative definitions of what it is to be human. For example “genetic determinism” is a handy rack on which to hang hopelessly pessimistic beliefs. Sure we can be predatory and destructive but we can also be nurturing and empathic as well. The whole range of our potential has to be taken into account, and I think it is boundless.
We are capable of choosing to live in perpetual balance with nature. So far, humans have chosen instead to struggle for power (dominance) over everything they perceive as “other”. But, really, there is no other. We are not separate from this whole system which is life. A mutually beneficial, i.e. loving relationship with the natural world would be a much happier and more fulfilling way to live.
December 25, 2011 at 10:52 am
I like the direction this blog is taking, diving deeper into how and “who” in this human-created hell-heaven we actually are. And the deeper we go, and live, the closer we get to “reality” which expresses that underlying oneness wherein all this separateness we fixate on is not much more than a Grand Illusion we have to deal with as such…or stay asleep at the wheel as a species about to crash the Vehicle.
Another factor i see as under-considered in figuring this stuff out, but implicit in her latest post, is the fact that, given the context Leavergirl sets out above, only “now”, as in recent times, has it become clear enough that there’s no more sense in hoping that “some day” we’ll be ready to change the way we leave destruction in our wake, and that then it won’t be too late. It’s easy to see from this perspective, when the untouched spaces and systems were so vast and resilient, our numbers far fewer and not so alarmingly threatening, our technology much less harmful, how we all would have had hope that when we could no longer put it off any longer, if not sooner, the obvious need for change would inspire The Change. And at long last, here we are…enough of the “results are in” to make the persuasive case that there is no more “future” that’s more than an ungrounded pipe-dreamy fantasy, if we don’t start “now”, as in we should’ve done so already so we’d better get to it! And much of the case has been made on this blog.
However, it’s clear that the overwhelming majority of our fellow humans still don’t see things this way and don’t seem anywhere close to doing so, and this is quite a disappointment for those of us who find it so frigging obvious. I’ve been wondering why, with so many people having viewed this blog by now, we don’t have at least a little bunch of us here well into plotting some sort of modest coming together. Is everyone waiting for it to get going before we put our shoulders to the wheel to help get it going? This mass hesitation in the face of evidence everywhere one looks with clear eyes, is the biggest mystery to me, (And yep, i’ve bought into it bigtime too…but am “over it”.) I for one have asked in various ways, who else here is ready for the “Now What?!”, to make some plans to co-create new lifeways and actually do it, yet no one but Leavergirl seems into committing to anything much beyond this way-more-than-arms length forum process…admittedly a limited tool, but what other tools do we have to find each other for root-level action? How else are we to jump-start this meta-movement that’s spinning its wheels and stalling again, then more spinning, and oh-so-slowly, all too slowly, gaining ground for re-making our world? What is missing? The answer to this, to me, is the biggest :”nut” needing cracking open and doing something about, and i’d love to read if anyone else has any impetus or ideas for that which go beyond words.
Easy to SAY, though, eh? … So as to hopefully not come across as a whining hypocrite, i’ll step up another notch here—I’m committing my next year to changing my life in the direction i believe this blog is about, and that means in all ways i possiibly can, in order to usefully respond to the evolutionary emergency that calls us to co-creation while we still have room to maneuver. In other words, I’m ready to leave Babylon, to humbly help and accept help with an alternative. Next steps, anyone?
December 25, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Jay D; I’d like to give you my perspective on this, as a relative old-timer. It seems to me that you want to go beyond words and ideas, putting them into actual practice in a new way of life. I sympathize with that and I don’t want to discourage you. I’m not sure what you mean by “plotting some sort of modest coming together”. To me, trying to form a group in order to act is a way of delaying or avoiding the inner change that is required in each individual so that action together will be effective.
When individuals who lack skills and inner resources form a group, no matter how well-meaning and idealistic they may be, the group will be unable to function successfully.
Individuals who realize how helplessly dependent on the system they are begin to learn non-destructive ways of providing themselves with food, shelter and other essentials. They learn by giving it a try, making mistakes and making improvements to their practices.
For me, it has been a long slow journey. I think people who are “ready” are already doing it, with or without community or even companionship.
So, yes! start changing your life for the better on your own. Sooner or later others will come into your sphere to share that with you but don’t wait for them, start now and give it all you’ve got.
December 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Thanks, Tamnaa, for giving me a chance to improve my communications; if you can understand the spirit of my question below and could answer accordingly, that’d be great. It’s not about ego involved or a challenge to yours, no offense taken or intended, just as always going for that elusive clarity: What is it about my approach or presence here, or that of, say, Leavergirl, that leads you to assume we “lack skills and inner resources”? (By this i assume you must mean lacking enough of them to do more good than harm in actually coming together.) Because i agree with you about those who do lack them…but in some cases, those of us who HAVE been working on what we can usefully work on, for a long time (ourselves) and find ourselves ready to take it to the next level (actually starting to co-create something physical, cultural…), are out here with our magnets out, searching for fellow needles in these strange haystacks. And, naturally, much of the answer IS that we just aren’t reaching many whom we’d resonate with, because, yes, they are out there doing things other than passing through or hanging out here.
Seems to me many of us tend not to trumpet our skillsets because it too easily comes across as bragging, especially if it is. So i always want to say that it’s important not to look at ourselves as better, or holier than thou, since it’s about getting beyond such ego-traps; we’re just different in ways we consider worth offering something to the world, worth testing out, hopefully, and we’re in need of actualizing it ASAP. (Considering the context of our individual lives, and the urgency factor of this Big “Moment” of opportunity before the window closes too much.) I think for some like me who have not already immersed into intentional communities, for example (though i was living in one many years ago as a young adult and found it invaluable learning), it’s much more about knowing the importance of, and not yet finding, sufficient compatibility on enough of the key levels. And now we have these tools to help. Also, relative disappearance into an IC isn’t enough, at least for me; i find myself impelled to make as much of an evolutionarily-”positive” difference as possible with my life, and help others do the same if i can, while i still can. I’ve “wasted” (not really, but…) enough time as it is! But a big part of the Task is learning to actually find new ways of being together, which of course cannot be adequately accomplished with a blog. But it’s a tool i’m sure glad we have; may it bear much fruit!
December 26, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Sorry Jay D, I guess I mistakenly thought that when you talked about getting started etc. that you hadn’t yet begun to free yourself from the machine and that you wanted to form a group in order to start. If you are already living more or less independent of the industrial system then you have acquired a lot of valuable skills.
I understand that your focus is on community. For me there’s nothing more important than community in the long run. And you are reaching out to find sufficiently compatible people. Good!
I’ve been doing that too, and in about 40 years of searching (I thought the results were in back in 1970 or so!), I’ve only found one. She and I are now married and living closer to the earth, so to speak, while reaching out to people around us.
Our situation is far from perfect but our use of electricity, fossil fuels and money is quite minimal and non-essential so we would not be in distress if these things suddenly became unavailable. For me this has been a big step forward but I still feel clumsy and ignorant most of the time. I tend to be overwhelmed with respect for the traditional knowledge, skills and resilience of the older people here. I have so much to learn! It often seems nearly impossible for people raised within the machine from infancy to alter their synapses enough to adapt to life outside it.
More importantly, we are trying to demonstrate, as best we can, peaceful cooperation and equality in a society where oppression and hierarchy have always been the norm. We also try to show people that their traditional way of life is far more valuable than the modern consumer lifestyle that they find so dazzling and desirable.
We are going against the flow. So far, these attempts have been received with polite disinterest.
December 27, 2011 at 6:48 am
I’m sure these are fine , well-meaning folks and I wish them all the best but…
I could never fit in here:
http://www.ecoreality.org/wiki/Welcome_to_EcoReality%21
December 27, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Yeah, I feel the same about Ecoreality as you, Tamnaa.
Jay D, what exactly do you have in mind, in terms of this blog? Considering we have people coming here from all parts of the world…
One of these days, I should put up a flag widget so we’d know…
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Done.
December 27, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Did that “done” above just appear suddenly in the corner of vision? That’ll be kind of handy, to know the countries people are in.. You ask, what exactly do i have in mind for your blog? Ah, but that ball be not in my court, m’lady…, proposing rights when i’m here to find the flow and see if i can hang with it.. hence the trying to get a sense of where others are at and trying to offer same…. If the geographic “where” is the best we can do for the moment, s’ok!
But yeah (like others, not that i know them yet) close enough to “free” enough on enough levels to become part of a social experiment of some sort soon. No reason anyone here couldn’t test to see who’s up for whatever they want to do, no matter where they might be, seems to me… How about you, LG, do YOU have any “exactly”s yet?
December 27, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Thanks for telling more about your path, Tamnaa. This quote of yours captures so much of what all this is about in a nice little nutshell:
“It often seems nearly impossible for people raised within the machine from infancy to alter their synapses enough to adapt to life outside it.”
Not a day goes by that i’m not painfully aware of that factor, dangit…but of course, much of the challenge is that it’s much easier to adapt to life outside of something that one is actually truly outside of. It’s the leaving of the Machine that may be the biggest change in a way, eh?
December 28, 2011 at 11:06 am
Jay D, actually, I was asking what you had in mind, *in terms* of this blog, since you had said earlier, “I’ve been wondering why, with so many people having viewed this blog by now, we don’t have at least a little bunch of us here well into plotting some sort of modest coming together.”
Since we are so far flung, I was wondering what you meant.
December 28, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Quote from William Rees:
“The current generation of people has been thoroughly, if unconsciously, socially-engineered as reflexive mega-consumers with no consideration of the long-term effects on personal health or the earth.”
http://www.plancanada.com/Unsustainable%20by%20Nature.rees.pdf
I’m just reading it now. Very interesting so far. Don’t yet know where his thinking takes us.
December 29, 2011 at 12:35 pm
I’ll think more about how to express what i meant, what i myself want, and what might be appropos here…
Tamnaa (and/or others), i’d be very interested to know what about that wannabe ecovillage and similar projects to the one linked to, that you could fit in with, and what you could not. Are you and your partner(s) in this process interested in/needing something that you could articulate to us? (Personally i’ve yet to come across an ecovillage that “does it” for me, either, but it’s good to be looking around at what’s trying to happen, eh? Maybe something else is called for?)
Mostly, as far as a far-flung blog, i’d love to see more detail on what various visitors perceive and may be planning along these lines. Hard to track such trends, i realize…
December 29, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Tamnaa, thank you for the link. A strange compendium of thoughfulness and knee-jerk attacks on human nature, of the sort that Daniel Quinn called people on.
He says: “Unsustainability is an inevitable emergent property of the systemic interaction btw techno-industrial society … and the ecosphere.”
Nothing to disagree with here.
Then he clarifies: “…various symptoms of unsustainability… emerge from the structure and behavior of natural ecosystems and the structure and behavior of the human enterprise.”
Suddenly, techno-industrial society is equated with “the human enterprise.” Hello? What about all those cultures, in the majority until about 200 years ago, that were not part of this particular “human enterprise” of conquest and control? Are they not “human enterprise”?
Then he says: “Modern human society is unsustainable by nature.”
Yes, indeed.
The he says: “Our current unsustainable state is actually the product of H. sapiens’ inordinate evolutionary success in the struggle for existence.”
Now we are back to equating modernity with our entire species. Clearly, his blinkers force him to see-saw throughout the article, and lead him to attack “primitive” societies as fatally mired in self-interest, which is mindboggling, considering the vast number of studies of primitive societies’ emphasis on the community and mutual responsibility.
I think that there are many technocrats like this person who wish to save this civilization, while blaming humans and “primitive” tribalism… basically deflecting attention. This civ cannot be saved. It must go. But not because “human beings are unsustainable by nature” but because a certain type of human culture (originally, one among many) has run amok and taken to pillaging the whole planet while systematically destroying any alternatives, whether tribal or political.
December 29, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Um… in the interest of clarity: what I am trying to say is that some human cultures have been sustainable, and others not. We have the misfortune to be living in a culture that is not, and massively at that.
We have proclivities that can take us one way or another… What will lean us more the former way than the latter?
December 29, 2011 at 4:26 pm
leavergirl; very nicely put. As I read it the first time I was impressed that he touched on many good points and I thought his analysis was about as good as can be expected from any devout scientific materialist. His conclusions were far from inspiring, though.
Reading it again, I got an entirely different impression. At some point he says; “Now, an alien observer might be puzzled by all this. Can we really claim to be a science-based society? Certainly repetitive futile actions are not the mark of high intelligence and reason.”
Of course we are obviously a science based civilization. That is precisely what has brought us to this terrifying brink! Rees himself, then, is a prime example of a meme-infected automaton whose “faith” (equating science with intelligence and reason) blinds him to the glaring error in which he is immersed.
When sci-tech screws up, what we need is more sci-tech (repetitive futile actions) …seems to me an irrational superstition; the “science meme”.
I prescribe radical skepticism to boost immunity against infection by pathological memes.
“I think that there are many technocrats like this person who wish to save this civilization,…” Yes along with their position of eminence in it. They are the high priests of the temple of scientism, the explainers of reality to the rabble.
December 29, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Jay D; I live in N.E. Thailand so my view of the possibilities here may not translate well for your location. (leavergirl, I don’t see any little flags yet)
We are surrounded here by a culture in which traditional skills for production of food, simple shelter, fabrics, basketry, pottery, wooden and metal implements are very much alive. Archeological discoveries have shown human settlement going way back, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_Chiang
My wife, Ael, and I are applying our limited energies to learning as much as we can.
I do have grandiose dreams of a beautiful traditional village with small rice paddies, large forests (permaculture and wild), water buffaloes, ducks, fish ponds, people working at daily subsistence while teaching crafts and skills to others. Well, you get the gist.
The purpose would be to encourage the traditional sustainable way of life while integrating it with the best of current knowledge. I would like to demonstrate to the world that a simple, low-tech way of life, strong on the values of community and cooperation, can be more healthy, joyful and satisfying that anything the razzle-dazzle of industry and commerce can provide.
December 29, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Tamnaa, the little flags are at the bottom right on the main blog page. And TH is among them!
Please tell us… how big is the village, and since all the traditional skills are alive, were you saying earlier that the people would rather chuck them and be like us? Gah…
December 29, 2011 at 6:44 pm
“Please tell us… how big is the village… ?) Well, the core population of my dream village would be quite small; equivalent to perhaps 4 to 6 extended families. Or did you mean the village we live in?
We live on the outskirts of a large village on the banks of a good size river called Maenam (Motherwater) Chi. I think it’s probably a very ancient site but that’s just my guess. Our whole area is rapidly modernizing. People still fish and gather, though. It’s hard to describe the broad array of activities that go on. People are far less specialized than they are in western countries.
In villages farther away from city influences, we see silk and cotton weaving, mat weaving and basketry, all sorts of ceramic crafts, a great variety.
Yes, it’s generally the older people who still do these things while encouraging their kids to become qualified for middle-class employment.
There’s a disturbing trend to take on debt to acquire the appurtenances of industrial civilization. There is some awareness of environmental problems in the world but I have not found anyone who knows about the economic debacle.